Baseball on the ballot

referendum!

Professional baseball isn’t being played in Richmond this summer. Those who follow local news to do with baseball know that it’s likely a Double A team, which is currently situated in Connecticut, is heading here next year.

Surely, that’s good news to Little Leaguers in the metro area.

The last time Richmonders didn’t have a local team to pull for was 1965. That was the year between the Richmond Virginians’ departure for Toledo and the arrival of the Richmond Braves. In 1966, the R-Braves took what had been the Atlanta Crackers’ slot in the International League, because the Milwaukee Braves relocated to Atlanta.

This time around the process of putting a minor league team on the field has been more complicated than it was in 1966. Now we can see Richmond’s baseball fans got lucky then. Now the minor leagues are more structured and there are fewer franchises in existence. And, 43 years ago there was no argument about where the baseball field ought to be.

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The pair of seats above was acquired at the last game played at Parker Field in 1984. With the help of my then-girlfriend, Tana, we literally ripped them up from their platform. The authorities actually allowed/encouraged it. A few days later the old grandstands were torn down.

Over the last decade a number of proposals have surfaced that would have moved professional baseball to other parts of town, even to the suburbs. No need to rehash all that.

In 2009 the matter seems to have boiled down to two distinct options in different parts of town:

  • Refurbish The Diamond/or build a stadium nearby
  • Build a new stadium in Shockoe Bottom

After years of presentations and studies and quibbling it has come down to a choice between keeping baseball on the Boulevard, or moving baseball to Shockoe Bottom.

Yet, after watching the Braves leave town, at least somewhat out of frustration with Richmond’s squirrelly moves, our City Council is still struggling with what to do. They don’t want to be wrong.

Mayor Dwight Jones doesn’t want to be wrong, either. So Jones wants to continue to study the matter. Now it seems we’ve descended into studying studies.

For several months the local blogosphere has been bubbling with posts and comments supporting one location or another. Both sides, Boulevard and Bottom, have Facebook pages and have sought mightily to influence the general public’s view on the issue. Where to play baseball has become a political issue of such magnitude that it’s time for something to break the spell.

Well, at the Fan District Hub, we have a solution — it’s called democracy.

Although it’s not easy in Virginia, it is possible to have the voters weigh in where elected officials fear to tread.

It took studies and a campaign and eventually a citywide referendum, in 2003, to get rid of the old weak-mayor system in Richmond. Now voters in Richmond elect their mayor directly. Put plainly, Richmonders opted for pure democracy, without modifiers, when they got the chance.

Once the General Assembly saw the eye-popping results, which overwhelmingly called for the change, Richmond’s City Charter was amended. Mayor Jones, who once opposed that same change, now seems OK with it, too.

It says here, the question of where to play baseball should be put before the voters in much the same way. A non-binding resolution could be placed on the ballot in November.

Obviously, prudent Virginians don’t want a string of frivolous ballot issues to clutter up every election. But sometimes the only way to settle something is to let the people decide.

City Registrar Kirk Showalter tells me there’s not much real extra expense to the taxpayers to run such a referendum, when there‘s already an election taking place.

In my view, the voters of Richmond will turn out in droves to put the kibosh on the plan to build in Shockoe Bottom. But maybe I’m wrong. Either way, putting it on the ballot will provide political cover for Jones and other elected officials.

Maybe I’m out of touch with how it is today. I’ve certainly been told as much by supporters of Shockoe Bottom’s baseball fever. Maybe their campaign to win support has been so successful that they could win such a test at the ballot box.

Of course, dear reader, some of the most ardent supporters of the proposed Shockoe Bottom real estate project may be afraid to take a chance on democracy. Some might say the ordinary guy is too dim to know what’s best. And, if they do, I’ll be willing to take my chances with how their asserting that position will play with John Q. Public, too.

If public money is to be used to facilitate or leverage the building of a new baseball stadium in Richmond, it’s entirely proper to ask the voters where they want their money spent.

In the way of disclosure, I must admit that I’ve been a baseball fan since before I played my first season of Little League, 50 years ago. What’s left in my bank of memories includes some scenes at Parker Field, where I saw Satchel Paige pitch and Mickey Mantle hit.

Bottom Line: How about some 100 proof democracy … neat, with no chaser?

– Words and photo by F.T. Rea

Posted in Civic Groups, Features, RVANews-news, Sports/Outdoors

23 Comments.

  1. If we vote on every economic development deal we will do nothing but vote on every economic development deal; furthermore, how do you determine which ones we vote on and which ones we don’t? We didn’t vote on Stony Point fashion park, we didn’t vote on Willow Lawn’s recent redesign, we didn’t vote on Movieland….etc. There is a good reason why we have an indirect democracy in this country and in this city. We voted on this already when we elected our leaders and now we have to trust them to make decisions for us, all the while still voicing our opinions.

    Joe John @ March 26th, 2009 at 9:39 am

  2. Joe John,

    Willow Lawn is in Henrico County and there’s a rather significant difference in Movieland and the Shockoe Bottom deal. Movieland was built without having to get the taxpayers to back the deal. It was a privately-financed development.

    Of course we don’t vote on every deal. Who has proposed that we do? I’m saying this one deal needs the support of the voters. After all, our elected leaders have not made a decision and stuck with it.

    Moreover, when a deal is as controversial as this baseball stadium project has been, it is in a category by itself. The taxpayers have underwritten studies, only to learn that studies disagree.

    This business has been flapping in the breeze for years, but in the last year the economic landscape has changed quite a bit. All sorts of schemes are being reconsidered, as well they should be.

    We can’t simply let the blue sky projections of the developers pass as indisputable. Downtown baseball seems appealing to some people, but not so much to others. Bar-hoppers aside, where is the study that asked real baseball fans what they think? Are Little League teams and other traditional groups of baseball fans likely to attend games in Shockoe Bottom?

    And, if the tenants don’t fill up the new buildings to be built around the stadium, if the developers are wrong — and sometimes they are — who do you think will have to replace the shortfalls in tax collections?

    A referendum won’t cost the taxpayers much money, but it could save them from the next expensive boondoggle. Or, it could support the stadium in Shockoe Bottom deal and effectively put an end to the debate.

    FTRea @ March 26th, 2009 at 10:35 am

  3. Your two options are wrong. Baseball on the Boulevard is dead. That is the only thing that is certain. If the Bottom doesn’t happen, you can bet baseball will either leave town, or go to the suburbs. There is no chance of it returning to the Boulevard (except while a new stadium is being built elsewhere). None.

    FanGuy @ March 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

  4. FanGuy,

    With all DUE respect, your certitude about what cannot happen doesn’t impress me.

    Why should it?

    From what I’ve seen everything you’ve written has indicated that you are determined to promote Shockoe Bottom as the only possible place for a baseball stadium.

    That’s OK, but you have gone further.

    In the doing, you’ve aired out your contempt for regional cooperation and suburbanites, in general. You’ve put down the area of the Boulevard between Broad St. and Westwood as if it were a Third World hell hole. You’ve even cast the ordinary voter in Richmond as too dim to know what’s best for him.

    All this you’ve done without signing your name to your prickly opinions.

    How do you know baseball can’t return to the Boulevard? We know you don’t want it to. Are you saying you are actually in a position to make THE decision about this?

    At long last, are you poised to reveal your identity?

    Oh, by the way, last I knew baseball already left town.

    FTRea @ March 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

  5. You are quite the spin master FT.

    I’m glad to see that RVAblogs.com has removed this website from the list of community websites, as it clearly is not a portal for Fan news.

    FanGuy @ March 26th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

  6. FanGuy,

    It’s obvious that by disagreeing with you when you have come to my web site with your comments, I have made a big mistake.

    Clearly, I underestimated your power in the blogosphere and beyond. The FD Hub has been banished from blog rolls. Friends won’t speak to me. Dogs have barked at me. Yesterday my bike had a flat tire.

    Now you tell me this damn bloggy thing isn’t even a “portal.”

    FTRea @ March 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

  7. Haha, don’t flatter yourself to think I would take the time to email anyone from RVAblogs about this site.

    FanGuy @ March 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

  8. As a supporter that would be ‘against democracy’ as you put it… I would be against the referendum, not because the average voter was too dim, but because they are too lazy. They would vote for/against the project based on hearsay and peer pressure and not because they dug into the development proposal. How many individuals do you know that are going to spread the numbers, check the projections, and research the comps? There are a number of complex elements to the project AND the financing package. I don’t think its too complex for the average Richmonder to understand, but too complex for them to put the time into.

    As you may well know from my posts here, I’ve spent plenty time bouncing from site to site reading and posting. Many individuals opinions are still based on the 2005 proposal, or a number of other false truths out there – both for and against.

    I guess my main point is, referendums are great for yes/no issues that can be boiled down. But not for complex proposals(IMHO).

    Ry @ March 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

  9. Bring on the referendum!

    Scott Burger @ March 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

  10. Ry, no doubt, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that citizens in Richmond and elsewhere have been lazy in the past. That’s another issue.

    Still, I don’t believe one must be able to understand every particle of the developers’ proposal, in order to have a worthwhile opinion about what part of town is best suited for a baseball stadium.

    The reason we have the provision in the State Code that allows for referendums is that sometimes we need it. We needed it in 2003 to show politicians in the General Assembly just how much Richmonders wanted their democracy less watered down.

    Now it’s time for pure democracy to put an end to this baseball brouhaha. Put it on the ballot and it will be up to the proponents of both sides, Boulevard vs. Bottom, to sell their cases.

    FTRea @ March 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

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  12. Not to rain on your parade, but according to the City, you would have to get the signatures “equal in number to ten percent or more of the largest number of votes cast in any general or primary election held in the City during the five years immediately preceding.”

    That means you’d have to get about 10,000 signatures to sign a petition to even get the referendum on the ballot.

    Are you going to go out and do it? If not, then its a dead issue.

    Sean @ March 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

  13. I don’t have a dog in this hunt… as long as it doesn’t raise my taxes, or take tax money away from essential city services, they can put this potiental white elephant where ever they want… (or not as the case may be).

    However, since it WILL impact public space and commerce, I see no reason why we can’t vote on it. Especially after Mayor Jones has said he’s going to spend thousands and thousands of city (tax payer) dollars to “study” the situation…

    tvnewsbadge @ March 27th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

  14. Sean,

    Apparently, in Richmond, Virginia, there are two ways to get a referendum going. The way you have alluded to, and another way.

    The second way would be for a majority of City Council to call for a non-binding resolution.

    In 2005 Council almost did something along those lines — http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/applications/clerksTracking/getPDF.asp?NO=2005-R34

    Perhaps I can interest some members of the current council to think about it again.

    We’ll see.

    FTRea @ March 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

  15. But a non-binding resolution would still have to be voted on by Council. If you went with the petition and it got more than 50% at the polls, it would automatically become law.

    If Council puts the referendum on the ballot, they could ignore the result and vote the other way. There is no guarantee they would uphold the referendum outcome, whatever it was.

    Sean @ March 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

  16. Sean,

    As I wrote at SLANTblog, I want to convince five members of council that they will look good asking the voters to catch the hot potato and settle the nettlesome stadium issue.

    A non-binding resolution would let the voters have their say. I doubt the council would ignore the expressed will of the people.

    After years of uncertainty and contradictory studies, why would council members be willing to stand against letting the voters have their say?

    FTRea @ March 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

  17. Dear FT:

    I think you make a reasoned, rational and dispassionate argument for a referendum.

    I’d also like to note, you have not suggested that EVERY development warrants a referendum. However, some developments are important enough that a referendum might be the best approach. I agree that the “Baseball in the Bottom” proposal is just such a development. Here are my reasons:

    1. There is at least an $8M tax payer contribution required for infrastructure development. Some have argued this number understates the true investment amount required.

    2. The area in which the proposed ballpark is to be built is historic. Once you develop it, there is no going back to the original historic character.

    3. There is at least some possibility that the City would be on the hook in the event of default on the bonds. Thie extent of ths potential liability is unclear.

    4. The area is proximate to residential neighborhoods, which will be impacted by any development. These impacts and the neighborhoods’ personal preferences should be considered.

    I think it is unfortunate that some believe Richmonders are too stupid or too lazy to be able to cast an informed vote on whether or not to approve the Bottom development proposal. Democracy may be messy, and it can lead to imperfect results, but it’s the best system out there. I think we should give the people more credit.

    Melissa Loughridge Savenko @ March 28th, 2009 at 1:01 am

  18. I’ll do a write-in vote for a Rollerderby track/ Lucha Libre arena.

    Goldie @ March 29th, 2009 at 7:44 am

  19. The sadly hilarious thing about this whole Bottom vs. Boulevard debate is that people in Richmond don’t really care for baseball all that much.

    schlep @ March 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

  20. The idea that they would bring this up for a vote is a joke they already have shown they are backing this Boondoggle and that is why they did the study. Of course the study will take months and end up telling us that the ballpark has to be in Shockoe Bottom and once the ballpark magically appears ( won’t require over 10 years of construction, Traffic and parking displacement) It will Solve the area problems of Flooding,Jobs,stops Earthquakes and causes world peace. and you would vote against this you are not worth being heard. ( according to them)

    ShockoeBottomDweller @ March 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

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